There have been quite a few stories on the internet for a number of weeks now about odd-looking bands or shadows within the flare of backlit pictures shot with the Nikon D750. Given the digicam’s in any other case distinctive capabilities and worth, we needed to research the problem in depth, in order to grasp each the extent and explanation for the issue earlier than reporting on it. We have now accomplished our testing and evaluation, and really feel we will definitively reply not solely the questions of extent and trigger, but additionally supply an (admittedly fairly awkward) partial workaround to the issue as effectively.
By the use of background, the primary examples we noticed of the phenomena have been in pictures taken by wedding ceremony photographers aiming for dreamy, flare-filled photographs of their brides and grooms. Moderately than having a pleasant clean gradient of flare working up the body, these photographers discovered it interrupted by abrupt, darkish bands close to the highest of the picture. They appear lots like shadows attributable to one thing blocking the flare, and as we discovered, that is precisely what they’re.
As typical for IR, we delved into the problem in some depth, and have definitively confirmed each the trigger and the extent of the issue, in addition to one possible — albeit reasonably awkward — workaround. This is what we have discovered:
tl;dr: Some variety of D750 our bodies have an issue with inside reflections — it is not lens flare — from the autofocus sensor that result in robust flare and “shadow bands” showing within the picture. It is not arduous to keep away from in most circumstances, however in others it is basically unavoidable. It will not be a difficulty for some photographers, however will likely be a giant challenge for others. (Fast repair: Flip the digicam the wrong way up!)
Our take a look at setup
All the issue pictures we noticed shot by finish customers had a robust mild supply — both the solar or a really brilliant cloudy sky — above the body, so we created a take a look at setup in our lab with a 90-watt floodlamp about 4 toes in entrance of the digicam, shot in opposition to a black background in a darkened room. This gave us a totally reproducible and unvarying lighting setup that we might use to guage the impression of various lenses, in addition to how different digicam our bodies responded in the identical scenario.
We initially shot with one among our lab-standard Sigma 70mm f/2.8 macro lenses, figuring that as an older optic, its coatings may not be as much as the extent of present expertise, and so give us extra flare to work with. (Though as famous above, we found that the problematic flare would not come from the lens, however reasonably the digicam physique itself.) We additionally checked quite a few different lenses as effectively. The issue appeared with all of them, though it appears from different stories on the Web that the vary of sunshine angles that set off the problem might range considerably relying on the focal size. (Most of our personal photographs have been at medium focal lengths.)
We might additionally seen some claims that the Canon 6D has an identical downside, however attributable to mild coming from beneath the lens, reasonably than from above. To see to what extent this is perhaps true of the 6D, D750, and different digicam our bodies, we shot all our lab exams with the floodlamp positioned each above and beneath the lens. This is an instance of the kind of photos we discovered:
We had no bother reproducing the D750 flare anomaly with the sunshine supply positioned barely exterior and above the body (left). We noticed little or no proof of the problem when the sunshine was coming from beneath the lens (proper).
How frequent is that this, and do different cameras do it too?
Having heard that the Canon 6D confirmed a flare sample for mild sources positioned beneath the digicam, we naturally needed to discover simply how broadly these type of points would possibly happen. We definitely could not take a look at each digicam on the market, however did test quite a few full-frame fashions from each Nikon and Canon. Moreover the D750, we shot the lighting and background setup described above with the Canon 6D, 5D Mark III, and 1D X, in addition to the Nikon D810, D800E, and D610. To have the ability to assess relative magnitudes of the problem between cameras, we shot with the identical lens (the aforementioned Sigma 70/2.8, which we have now in each Nikon and Canon mounts), utilizing the identical shutter pace, aperture, and ISO settings for all cameras. (Publicity variables have been mounted to 1/20 sec. at f/2.8 and ISO 100)
The outcomes have been, in case you’ll pardon the pun, illuminating… 😉
The desk of photos beneath reveals the outcomes we obtained with every of the cameras listed. Word that the lighting, digicam location, and publicity parameters have been an identical throughout all of the examples proven, so they need to give an excellent indication of how a lot or how little every platform suffers from this downside for mild coming from each above and beneath the body. (One minor exception; we one way or the other managed to shoot the D810 a 3rd of a cease darker than the others, at 1/25 second shutter time.) Moreover the presence or absence of flare anomalies, it is attention-grabbing to notice simply how a lot distinction there’s within the general quantity of flare, and variations between having the sunshine supply above or beneath the digicam.
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With the sunshine coming from above the body (left), the impact within the D750 is fairly dramatic. Very robust bands of shadow; on this case there’s really three distinct bands seen. With the digicam inverted and light-weight coming from just under the lens (proper), general flare is bigger, however the banding is enormously diminished. |
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Canon EOS 6D |
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There’s comparatively little banding to be seen right here, though there is a faint one maybe 2/3 of the best way up the body, within the case of sunshine coming from beneath the lens. It is attainable that this could be extra evident if it have been the solar in that place, reasonably than a floodlight, nevertheless it’s actually fairly minor, in comparison with what we noticed from different cameras. The general quantity of flare from the highest and from the underside can be a lot nearer to the identical. |
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Canon EOS-1D X |
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Whereas not as apparent as that of the D750, there is a fairly clear band (with a type of an “echo” proper beneath it) within the flare coming from the highest of the body. Flare from the underside of the body can be considerably worse within the EOS 1D X, however with no signal of banding in any respect. |
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A bit of wierd shadowing on the high, however solely a touch of a straight line. A bit extra flare from the underside, and a transparent band, close to the very backside of the body. |
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Nikon D810 |
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(By accident underexposed by 1/3 cease relative to the others.) Even permitting for the slight underexposure, surprisingly little flare of any type for mild coming from the highest of the body, however fairly a little bit of flare from the underside. Slight banding on the underside, very near the sting of the body. |
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Nikon D800E |
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Little or no flare coming from mild on the high of the body, fairly a bit coming from the underside, with some slight banding on the backside fringe of the body. |
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Nikon D610 |
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Comparatively little flare from the highest of the body, with a faint band. A number of flare from the underside, with robust bands, however fairly near the underside of the body. |
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As you may see, whereas we noticed at the very least some degree of comparable points in different fashions, the D750 reveals it fairly a bit greater than different cameras we examined. We discovered it attention-grabbing that whereas mild coming from beneath the lens produced far more flare general, the banding in that scenario was enormously lowered
Checks with pure daylight
All the time eager to tie our lab exams again to the actual world, we realized that the floodlight within the lab did not resemble the solar very a lot; the solar is a lot brighter relative to the remainder of the scene, and it additionally covers a a lot smaller angular space. So we took the D750 exterior on a uncommon sunny day and shot the entrance of my home in shadow, strongly backlit by the solar simply peeking over the sting of the roof, utilizing the identical trusty Sigma 70/2.8 as earlier than for the sake of consistency.
A lot to my shock, I discovered it a lot extra tough to provide the banded flare with this a lot brighter, however extra concentrated mild supply than with the extra diffuse floodlight within the lab. It seems that the flare bands solely happen over a really slender vary of incident mild angles. The sequence above reveals the vary of impact, as I tilted the digicam progressively downwards. Within the first shot, the banding sample is simply beginning to change into seen, within the center it is about at its peak, and within the backside shot, it has virtually totally light out.
The superb factor (to me, at the very least) is that the change in digicam angle from the primary shot above to the ultimate one was simply 2.5 levels. That and the issue I initially had to find the flare with the solar as the sunshine supply says to me that it might be fairly simple to keep away from in most sensible taking pictures conditions when the solar is the reason for the flare. It would not be a lot of an adjustment to boost or decrease the digicam simply barely and reframe to vary the incident mild angle, avoiding the issue totally.
That stated, it is solely that simple to eliminate the banding if there is a single, small, brilliant mild supply. Then again, in case you’re taking pictures a big, darkish object in opposition to a really brilliant, overcast sky, the banding will happen over a a lot wider vary of angles (because the mild supply is occupying a a lot larger vertical angular span). Some web stories counsel that the vary of angles that may produce the banded flare sample can be a perform of the focal size of the lens. This is sensible to us, however we have not explored that side in any organized style.
What causes this, and the way do we all know that it is really accountable?
Slightly taking part in round with a laser pointer made it fairly clear that the stray mild that brought on the flare was attributable to mild stepping into the AF optics/sensor system, positioned in a recess within the ground of the mirror field.
As a part of confirming this, we very gingerly poked round with a dental decide to softly tug ahead the little mild baffle that sits behind the AF sensor effectively when the mirror is up. (Do not do this at residence; we have been absolutely ready to pay for an out-of-warranty D750 restore if we tousled.) The little flap is spring-loaded, so it wasn’t too arduous to hook it and transfer it ahead and again, with the lens off and the digicam in Reside View mode. We might reproduce the identical kind of shadows we noticed with the lens on, by holding a brilliant flashlight on the proper angle above the lens flange. This allow us to see how numerous issues would possibly have an effect on them.
After we moved the little mild baffle flap ahead, the primary shadow being forged on the sensor and visual within the Reside View show very clearly moved in lockstep. The horizontal band of darker space on the high of the body is simply the shadow of the movable mild baffle. Slightly taking part in with a laser pointer confirmed that the sunshine being shaded was certainly coming from the AF meeting. (Curiously, it wasn’t a “glint” off the highest surfaces of the AF optics, as we had anticipated, however as an alternative a matter of sunshine bouncing round contained in the AF optical system, as soon as it initially made its method there.)
That the AF optics are the perpetrator can be confirmed by the video above, made by Tomasz Piotrowski, who took the very direct step of utilizing a bit of Cinefoil or comparable black object to cowl the AF recess totally, after which reattaching the lens and displaying the digicam’s Reside View show on its LCD earlier than and after. Together with our personal inside exams, this gorgeous conclusively reveals that the AF system is the perpetrator.
Does this have something to do with the picture sensor?
No, aside from that the picture sensor is faithfully depicting the sunshine shining on it.
Why do not I see this once I look by means of the viewfinder?
If you’re wanting by means of the viewfinder, you are seeing mild mirrored by the mirror, with the mirror in its “down” place. The impact we’re describing right here occurs solely when the mirror is up, and the autofocus parts and picture sensor are uncovered to stray mild. Swap to Reside View mode to see it.
Why do some cameras present this and never others?
As a part of our testing, we regarded on the mirror-box configuration of all of the cameras concerned, and have been considerably shocked on the vary of variation, displaying reasonably totally different approaches by which digicam designers cope with the issue of inside reflections from the AF system. Cameras with AF sensor arrays extra deeply recessed into the underside of the mirror field are a lot much less susceptible to this type of flare downside.
So why would Nikon put the AF parts in such a shallow recess? It is pure hypothesis on our half, however we might wager good cash that it had lots to do with making an attempt to cram all that full-frame digicam goodness into such a small physique. In a full-frame digicam, the underside of the mirror field is at all times going to be nearer to the underside of the digicam itself than in a sub-frame design. If you attempt to make a full-frame mannequin extra compact (or at the very least shorter), you shortly run out of room between the ground of the mirror field and the underside of the digicam itself. It appears possible that Nikon simply walked a bit too near the sting, when making an attempt to compress the D750 right into a shorter bundle. They clearly have been involved about problems with this kind, therefore the little mild baffle that flips behind the AF meeting when the mirror is up, however the mild baffle proved to not be sufficient.
However wait a minute: The D610 can be very compact full-frame design, and it reveals the issue hardly in any respect. What’s up with that? How is the D750 totally different from the D610, and and why could not the engineers use the identical methods as they employed within the D610?
Once more, that is pure hypothesis, however we strongly suspect the rationale comes right down to a query of pace. Whereas it is not an enormous distinction, the D610 tops out at 5.9 frames/second, whereas the D750 makes it to six.5. After we regarded contained in the D610 mirror field, we noticed that the AF parts are fully lined by a sliding metallic plate when the mirror is up, vs the a lot smaller baffle on the D750. We’re simply guessing, however suspect that the D610’s sliding plate system takes simply sufficient longer to slip into place and again out of the best way once more that it might be too gradual for the D750.
In fact, there may very well be any variety of different causes for not utilizing the D610’s AF-baffle design, fully other than pace. It might have confirmed much less dependable, extra susceptible to shedding particles, the actuating mechanism for it might have taken an excessive amount of area, and so forth, and so forth. Regardless of the case, we assume there have been good and enough causes for ditching it in favor of the flip-back baffle of the D750.
In terms of different cameras, it typically appeared the case that the deeper the AF system was recessed into the ground of the mirror field, the much less possible we have been to see banding within the flare patterns. Check out the photographs beneath, displaying the lens mounts and mirror containers of a number of the cameras we examined. For every digicam, we present a shot from above, that offers you a glimpse of the AF parts, or at the very least the recess they’re mounted in, in addition to a straight-on entrance shot that reveals the dimensions and place of the mirror field, relative to the lens flange.
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Within the view from above, you may see the recess and a little bit of the AF optics inside it in the back of the mirror field. The transferring flap talked about earlier is the article working throughout the again with the horizontal strains on it. (We expect that ribbing might be one other measure to cut back reflections.) What you are seeing is definitely the sting of a flap that may pivot ahead when the mirror is right down to let mild from the secondary mirror attain the AF meeting. Within the front-on shot, you may see that there is not lots of area between the underside of the mirror field and the underside of the lens flange. Not seen right here is the space to the underside of the digicam itself, which is not lots. |
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Within the shot from above, you may see the opening to the AF-system recess, however actually not a lot of the AF optics themselves, as they’re buried a bit additional beneath the ground of the mirror field. What we discovered significantly attention-grabbing was the entrance view, which illustrates one important distinction between Canon and Nikon cameras: Word how far more area there’s between the ground of the mirror field and the sting of the lens flange. That is largely as a result of the Canon flange is a lot bigger in diameter than Nikon’s F-mount. Which means it doesn’t matter what, Canon is at all times going to have a specific amount of area beneath the mirror field ground to play with, except they grasp the rim of the lens flange beneath the underside of the digicam physique. |
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We discovered this one particularly attention-grabbing: You look into the mirror field and see … no AF parts! There is a metallic plate laid excessive of them, fully hiding them from any stray mild! We’re unsure why Nikon wasn’t ready to make use of this construction within the D750; we speculated it might need to do with pace and body charge, however that is frankly simply guesswork. |
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Within the D810, there’s once more a bit mild baffle that in all probability pivots up when the mirror’s down (we did not fiddle with it, so aren’t certain), however the AF parts clearly appear to be extra deeply recessed than within the D750. It is our guess that the deeper recess is the primary cause the D810 is a lot much less prone to flare banding. |
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Does this occur with all D750s?
We initially thought this was a common downside with the Nikon D750, at the very least primarily based on the 2 samples we have had in our lab, however at the very least one video on the Web (see beneath, additionally by Tomasz Piotrowski) suggests that there is some variation between D750s, when it comes to how the AF parts are positioned relative to the remainder of the mirror field and sensor. Each of our samples (serial numbers 3002596 and 3019738) appear to indicate just about the identical conduct, and we weren’t in a position to observe any important distinction within the positioning of the AF sensors inside their mirror containers.
Nikon D750 AF module place, as in contrast by YouTube consumer Tomasz Piotrowski.
Given the video above, it does appear that there may very well be variations on this space amongst items out within the area, though what number of or when the change was carried out is an open query. As famous, our items had serial numbers 3002596 and 3019738, and each confirmed the conduct we’re speaking about; we have not personally witnessed any samples that did not present the issue. We might be very curious about studying whether or not any of our readers have D750s that do not present the problem, and what their serial numbers are; maybe we will set up a serial quantity vary the place the change occurred.
This is what we might such as you to do: We’re on the lookout for the very best serial quantity that does present the banded flare, and the bottom quantity that would not present the flare artifact. Presently, the very best quantity that we all know reveals it’s our personal s/n 3019738. We’ll pin a publish on the high of the feedback thread beneath, displaying the present highest/lowest serial numbers, so readers can chime in the event that they’re in a position to lengthen the identified ranges at both finish.
Can this be mounted?
The following query in fact, is whether or not or not present D750s that present this conduct might be modified to not accomplish that. Initially, we did not suppose so, however the obvious existence of some items with the AF optics recessed extra deeply suggests {that a} repair for the problem might have been developed.
It is arduous to think about that is merely a matter of only a production-line variance and minor change of adjustment, although. To the perfect of our understanding, any important change within the place of the AF parts would additionally require a change within the AF optics, to not point out the underlying constructions that the AF system mounts to. I do not know sufficient in regards to the intimate particulars of part detection AF methods, nevertheless it appears unlikely that you would accommodate a shift of a millimeter or so within the general flange-sensor distance electronically. It is conceivable, in fact, that that is only a matter of a service-center adjustment, however primarily based on my understanding of the methods concerned, that appears unlikely. Once more, my understanding right here is proscribed, nevertheless it looks as if any repair would contain changing the entire AF sensor/optics array. That feels like a non-trivial activity, if it may be accomplished post-production in any respect.
Is that this simply a difficulty for full-frame cameras, or might it occur with subframe ones as effectively?
We might by no means say by no means, however this kind of challenge is a lot much less more likely to happen with sub-frame cameras. Since most sub-frame SLRs have lens flanges sized to be suitable with full-frame fashions as effectively, there’s typically much more area out there beneath the ground of the mirror field, so it is simpler for the designers to recess the AF parts and preserve them out of the best way of stray mild beams.
A few issues that shocked us
A few issues actually struck us about this take a look at.
Duh! It is usually the digicam physique, not the lens! At the start, we — like different photographers — are accustomed to blaming flare on our lenses. It seems that in lots of circumstances, our digicam our bodies are contributing extra to flare than our lenses are. The examples proven above have been all shot with the Sigma 70mm, however exams on the D750 with quite a lot of different lenses produced very comparable outcomes. Given how a lot distinction there was between cameras, and the way little flare we noticed for mild coming from above the lens in a few of them, it appears clear that the majority of the flare we see within the photographs above got here from the cameras themselves. Whereas most cameras did not produce as a lot banding as we noticed with the D750, it is clear that just about the entire our bodies have been accountable for important quantities of the flare we noticed. It is definitely (and clearly) true in lots of circumstances that the lenses produce flare in lots of conditions, however this take a look at was an actual eye-opener for us when it comes to how a lot flare the digicam our bodies themselves produce.
Flare is commonly lots totally different from the highest than from the underside. I assume it is sensible that digicam makers would optimize their mirror field designs to attenuate flare from mild sources coming from above the body, however we have been actually shocked to see simply how far more flare was current in lots of circumstances when the sunshine supply was beneath the lens/digicam. (Provided that the solar is often overhead, it is sensible to do no matter attainable to cut back the interior reflections coming from that path.) We discovered this significantly stunning, although, on condition that the highest of the mirror field was often fairly plain, with no apparent sources of reflection. What’s up there’s the backsides of the first and secondary mirrors, they usually’re each fairly effectively black-matte coated. However that coating typically appears a lot much less efficient than what’s on the bottoms of the mirror containers. Is the coating really totally different, and there is some cause they cannot use the identical coating on the rapidly-moving, high-shock surfaces of the mirrors, or is it simply that the openings within the mirror field ground for the AF sensors can really assist with inside reflections, greater than reflections from the AF optics harm? We’re not sure.
How can I keep away from banded flare patterns?
At the start, notice that this solely occurs when the solar or flare supply is simply exterior the body. As famous above, you may solely see banded flare like this in case you’re taking pictures with the solar or different robust mild supply simply exterior the body; so far as we have been in a position to inform, it would not occur if the solar is definitely throughout the area of view. This one reality ought to quell the considerations of most customers. Whereas lots of people shoot backlit topics, the possibilities are good that they will both have the solar or mild supply itself showing within the body, or at a excessive sufficient angle above the digicam that it will not set off the phenomenon. So 99% of the time, you may simply calm down and overlook that the problem exists.
It is at all times finest observe to shoot with a hood, to keep away from simply this kind of downside. On this case, although the sunshine supply must be at such a shallow angle relative to the axis of the lens to set off the impact {that a} hood might not assist. Particularly within the case of zoom lenses used at their tele ends, the hood in all probability will not assist a lot because it needs to be designed to not impede the view on the lenses’ broad angle ends.
It’s kind of of a ache, and would not work for motion taking pictures, however the guaranteed-effective answer is to shade the entrance of the lens along with your left hand. This labored high-quality for the mostly-smaller lenses we examined with the D750, however would clearly be a non-starter with a 70-200mm f/2.8.
Lastly, whereas it might be awkward in observe, in case you needn’t take lots of photographs with the solar simply exterior the body, a fairly simple answer is to easily maintain the digicam upside-down. In the event you’re on the lookout for an inventive flare impact, you may get extra of it on this place anyway, and there is a good likelihood that the quantity of banding with the sunshine coming from “beneath” the lens would not be noticeable. This can be a fairly awkward taking pictures place, however then how usually do it’s good to put the solar simply exterior the body, vs both within the body or lots exterior of it?
It bears repeating: This banded-flare downside solely happens for a really small vary of angles, and so far as we will inform, in no way when the flare supply is included within the body with the topic. There’s nonetheless the potential scenario the place a broad swathe of brilliant sky triggers the impact, however once more, together with the flare supply throughout the body will almost definitely keep away from the issue totally.
Is the Nikon D750 nonetheless an excellent digicam? Ought to I purchase one?
That is clearly a private query; you may should ask your self how usually you may be taking pictures underneath situations which might be more likely to set off it. It is going to be a show-stopper for some, however talking purely for myself, I would not hesitate to purchase a D750 if I have been out there for a full-frame DSLR. It is a pleasure to carry and to shoot with, and its picture high quality other than the flare challenge is completely excellent. Personally, it’s extremely, very seldom that I would shoot backlit scene of the type that reveals the issue.
That is simply me; I would purchase a D750 in a heartbeat if I used to be out there for a full-frame SLR, even with the present flare challenge current. I do notice, although, that some photographers might usually shoot underneath situations that will produce banded flare like we have seen above. It is clearly one thing that the digicam could be higher of not exhibiting.
Abstract
In order that’s the place we’re in the meanwhile. Not less than some D750s will produce banding of their flare patterns throughout a reasonably slender vary of sunshine angles if the sunshine supply is simply exterior the body, above the lens. If the sunshine supply is broader and extra diffuse, the banding may even be broader and tougher to keep away from, however from what we have seen, it turns into a non-issue if the flare supply is throughout the body reasonably than exterior it, or if it is at a better angle. There’s at the very least some proof to counsel that not all D750s present this challenge, however we do not know what number of of those there are, at what level within the manufacturing run any associated change was made, or simply how freed from the problem they might be.
Whereas we do not suppose it is as huge a difficulty as it has been made out to be, it does occur with some samples, and it might in all probability be helpful to determine the vary of serial numbers which might be affected, for the sake of potential homeowners who generally take the sorts of photographs that will set off the conduct.
This is what we’ll do: We have pinned a publish to the highest of the feedback thread beneath, displaying the present highest serial quantity we’re conscious of that *does* present the problem, and the bottom serial quantity we’re conscious of that does not. (We’re assuming that if any fashions do not show the conduct, they’d be extra lately produced ones, with greater serial numbers.)
See the instance photos above from our exams in daylight, to see what to search for; if the worst-case you may produce along with your D750 is considerably lower than the worst proven above, please publish a pattern picture and the serial variety of your digicam within the feedback beneath. Then again, in case your digicam does present the issue, and you’ve got a serial quantity greater than the bottom one proven within the pinned publish beneath, please tell us what your serial quantity is. (In case your serial quantity is beneath the bottom or above the very best one proven within the publish, please do not trouble posting a picture or your serial quantity; it will not increase the identified ranges any.)
We’ll additionally attain out to Nikon, to see what their touch upon this is perhaps, however this story goes up proper because the Christmas vacation arrives right here within the US, so it may very well be some time earlier than we obtain a reply.
Please tell us your ideas and (particularly) your experiences beneath!
UPDATE: Nikon has launched an official assertion relating to the problem
